My goal? Well, I feel like I've been
one of only a few navigators of nanotech's undercurrent. It's about
time to think about how to surface with the full story. You might see
fewer posts here as I focus my energies on writing full chapters. But you can still expect some interesting stuff
to surface as NanoBot embarks on the next phase of its fantastic
voyage.
James Von Ehr: What's the
killer product in 10 years? You know, I
shy away from telling people what the product is in 10 years. I turn
the question around and say, "So, what's the most important thing
you'll need in 10 years? Can you tell me?"
Go back to 1994 and say, "What do you think the most important
thing
in 2004 is going to be?" The Internet probably wouldn't have been on
the list. Very few people even knew that the Internet was there. To
have said, "I don't like my megabyte-per-second broadband. I want
100-megabyte-per-second broadband," would have been science fiction in
1994.
So, I'm not sure what the right product is. All I know is we will
need nanomanufacturing facilities to make it. We'll need those to be
flexible because, the way our product development is going, we want
more flexibility. You look at how long it takes to get out a new cell
phone, it's not very long these days. So, you've got to have flexible
manufacturing. It's almost a certainty it's going to work at the
nanoscale. In 10 years, that's not science fiction to see that trend.
So, we need flexible nanoscale manufacturing in high volume with
quick turnaround time.
Howard Lovy: Do you
picture taking orders from around the world: "I want
you to build me this." And you say, "Yes sir, we'll modify our
facilities to do that."
Von Ehr: Something along
those lines. What I would envision is that
we would probably build a manufacturing device to order for a customer
who's making something.
Lovy: A device bigger than
a breadbox?
Von Ehr: Bigger than a
breadbox and smaller than an aircraft
carrier. In there, there is a mix of all sorts of scales and all sorts
of technologies. But it essentially is a factory to build things at the
bottom end, and probably built with atomic precision. Maybe not 100
percent atomically precise, but pretty precise manufacturing. It
integrates mechanical, electrical and chemical sorts of things together
in the system.
Lovy: It's just the
ultimate machine.
Von Ehr: Basically, it's
an ability to make a manufacturing plant in
a flexible fashion. We want to be able to become a manufacturing
facility to make whatever products a customer wants to make.
Lovy: Why?
Von Ehr: (pauses, smiles).
Boy, that's a multidimensional …
Lovy: I know, I know. It's
a horrible question.
Von Ehr: I can spend the
rest of the day answering that.
It intrigues me to do for the world of atoms what software has
done
for the world of pixels and bits. The attraction of molecular
nanotechnology to a lot of software people is that we're used to
creating virtual worlds starting with an idea and instantiating that in
pixels and bits. It's fascinating to think that we might have the tools
that help us instantiate that in the world of atoms. Because we're made
of atoms. There fore, I say that atoms are lot more important to us
than pixels and bits.
So, the ability to start with an idea and come up with a product
that could be utilitarian like a database, could be artistic like a
graphics program, is very appealing as a software person --
particularly one who has dealt with artists in the past. I'm intrigued
at what artists will do with nanotechnology.
I'm getting older. I'm concerned with what kind of medicine we
will
have. Having just hurt my thumb and had some fairly crude surgery to
patch it back up …
Lovy: Stitches?
Von Ehr: Well, they had to
actually … It's too gross to go into, but
yes there are some stitches, but just thinking, "What should medicine
be?" How should we be able to do this? This is the 21st century. We
ought to have better medicine than slicing you open with a knife and
sowing it back up. So, can't we get in there and work with the body's
repair mechanisms and coax them into building the structures that we
want, to generate new limbs and patching up damage? So, I just think
that life is going to be a lot more interesting as our manufacturing
technology gets better. I see that as a solution to a lot of problems.
Lovy: It sounds noble,
but in the real world, in the consumer
society, the really big killer app could be just recreation. It could
be a toy, it could be a new virtual reality game.
Von Ehr: Actually, before
I started Zyvex, I had a list of a dozen
fields that I thought were going to be huge if we can get molecular
manufacturing going. Cosmetics is actually a huge deal. Imagine if you
have a wrinkle cream that actually does something about wrinkles. Or a
fat cream that does something about fat.
Lovy: That's different
from what the cosmetics industry is doing now
with titanium dioxide. You're not talking about smaller materials, but
regenerative materials.
Von Ehr: Actually, the
ability to engineer nanoparticles or
nanomaterials that interact with the cells in a way to coax them to do
something that you want them to do.
Lovy: How old are you?
Von Ehr: I'm 53
Lovy: Oh, you've got a
long time before you start getting all
wrinkly.
Von Ehr: I'm feeling
mortal already.
Lovy: My point is that it
(molecular manufacturing) could lead to
something that you don't necessarily approve of – a consumer item, a
weapon.
Von Ehr: It could lead in
a lot of directions that I can't foresee
and might not approve of, but so has electricity. I think this is going
to be at least as useful as electricity.